11: 10x Less Productive

By No Solutions August 28, 2025 · Edited April 5, 2026

What does it mean to build something \

What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"? <a href="https://njump.me/@PABLOF7z">Pablo</a> & <a href="https://njump.me/@Gigi">Gigi</a> want to encourage you to <a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">apply for SEC-05</a>. Books & websites mentioned: <ul> <li><a href="https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/">Stackoverflow is dead</a> by Gergely Orosz</li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">Sovereign Engineering</a> by Gigi and Pablo</li> </ul> In this dialogue: <ul> <li>Gigi's <a href="https://github.com/dergigi/vibeline">vibeline</a> & <a href="https://github.com/dergigi/vibeline-ui">vibeline-ui</a></li> <li>Pubcastr aka <a href="http://castr.me">castr.me</a>\ </li> <li>Pablo's <a href="https://coracle.social/notes/nevent1qqstycwc8qu8telckv9mw4fs7wc6d54v9gnpnqrx9hpllqz994mnz4ckzvrxq">thread about TENEX</a>\ </li> <li>Alex Gleason's <a href="https://soapbox.pub/tools/mkstack">MKStack</a>\ </li> <li>What is the essence of nostr?\ </li> <li>What are nostr's values, and can LLMs extract them?\ </li> <li>Agents and workflows living on nostr\ </li> <li>Agent specialization and Roo code\ </li> <li>\“What would Jesus do?\”</li> <li>What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"?\ </li> <li>Hierarchy of agents\ </li> <li>Generalists vs specialists\ </li> <li>Top-down constraints and bottom-up emergence\ </li> <li>Wise architects VS efficient diff-merging LLMs\ </li> <li>Where does the human fit in?\ </li> <li>Distributed cognition: agents and humans</li> <li>Hiring agents via nostr\ </li> <li>"If the human has to intervene, something is catastrophically wrong."</li> <li>Confidence levels of an agent's action\ </li> <li>Giving agents money using <a href="https://njump.me/nevent1qqst6luj67g3exyd05zwevmpkynnws9v54vcsze5h3fm2d9yd6whmmqpz3mhxw309ucnydewxqhrqt338g6rsd3e9upzp75cf0tahv5z7plpdeaws7ex52nmnwgtwfr2g3m37r844evqrr6jqvzqqqqqqyyya64s">mcp-money</a>\ </li> <li>Offering bounties to solve problems\ </li> <li><a href="https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/">Stackoverflow is dead</a></li> <li>Stock photography is dead\ </li> <li>Real vs fake photography test</li> <li>Vibe-coding vs regular coding, and how it relates to the switch from analog to digital photography\ </li> <li>What is economical, and what isn't?\ </li> <li>Dialogue and Dia-Logos with LLMs\ </li> <li>Specialization in a multi-agent world\ </li> <li>Adding a small vibe-coding widget to every app (allowing users to customize stuff)\ </li> <li>Multiplicity VS canonical design\ </li> <li>Money is singular, language is not\ </li> <li>Jack's original sin: the twitter Bootstrap theme</li> <li>The "<a href="https://andotherstuff.org/">other stuff</a>" initiative</li> <li>What's missing from <a href="https://github.com/pablof7z/tenex">TENEX</a>? Why isn't it fully working just yet?\ </li> <li>Rebuilding everything every 3 weeks</li> <li>Voice vs text, sentiment analysis vs tone</li> <li>The power and informational density of silence</li> <li>In-person vs online communication</li> <li>Letting agents learn lessons</li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_g81a7a-E">"Where do you get your ideas from?"</a></li> <li>Anonymity vs pseudonyms vs government ID</li> <li>Agents need identity, money, and reputation</li> <li>"I own this dude." \—Pablo</li> <li>Owning agents</li> <li>Vibe-coding lessons: don't look at the code, and in the best case don't even look at the IDE</li> <li>Human-agent communication: typing vs speaking</li> <li>Why some meetings couldn't have been an email</li> <li>Clearly defined problems vs undefined problem spaces</li> <li>Why TENEX will be in perpetual alpha</li> <li>What is <a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">Sovereign Engineering</a>?</li> <li>Why should you sign up for it?\ </li> <li>How come so many awesome things came out of it? Blossom, nsite, Zapstore, etc.</li> <li>Who should come, and who shouldn't?</li> <li>How did it start?</li> <li>What's the idea?\ </li> <li>"Fix the money, fix the internet."</li> <li>"Ship stuff that lasts."</li> <li>Keep it pure. No monetization.\ </li> <li>Focus on exploration and ideation\ </li> <li>What's the structure?\ </li> <li>6 weeks, 21 participants</li> <li>Same structure every week</li> <li>Monday Mornings: Orientation</li> <li>Tuesday Talks</li> <li>Wednesday Workshops</li> <li>Thursday: No Agenda</li> <li>Friday: Demo Day</li> <li>Weekend: Hikes</li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.typeform.com/SEC-05">SEC-05: YOLO Mode</a></li> <li>Empower users</li> <li>Optimize for self-sovereignty</li> <li>Bitcoin works</li> <li>Lightning works (Gigi's post)\ </li> <li>Build the future you want to see\ </li> <li>Madeira: you can pay in bitcoin almost everywhere\ </li> <li>tl;dr: Listen to every single <a href="https://castr.me/@NoSolutions">No Solutions</a> conversation to get an idea of what Sovereign Engineering is</li> </ul> Recorded at <a href="https://mempool.space/block/901069">901,069</a>. <itunes:subtitle>#11: 10x Less Productive w/ Pablo</itunes:subtitle> <itunes:duration>5953</itunes:duration> <link>https://njump.me/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzpx77gg2frul26xkzr0gaq9n842u50axpcjhdsa3yeu388vrv5pftqys8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytn9d9h82mny0fmkzmn6d9njuumsv93k2tcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qqswyqle9fs9mg93p3kqg7uhz5kwsp8mnup7uch8r7kcnv9tjrdudagp50y35</link> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2025 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate> <author>Gigi</author> <itunes:author>Gigi</itunes:author> <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit> <itunes:keywords>nostr, development, sovereign engineering, shipping, memes, web, internet, conversation, dialog</itunes:keywords> <itunes:summary><![CDATA[What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"? <a href="https://njump.me/@PABLOF7z">Pablo</a> & <a href="https://njump.me/@Gigi">Gigi</a> want to encourage you to <a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">apply for SEC-05</a>. Books & websites mentioned: <ul> <li><a href="https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/">Stackoverflow is dead</a> by Gergely Orosz</li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">Sovereign Engineering</a> by Gigi and Pablo</li> </ul> In this dialogue: <ul> <li>Gigi's <a href="https://github.com/dergigi/vibeline">vibeline</a> & <a href="https://github.com/dergigi/vibeline-ui">vibeline-ui</a></li> <li>Pubcastr aka <a href="http://castr.me">castr.me</a>\ </li> <li>Pablo's <a href="https://coracle.social/notes/nevent1qqstycwc8qu8telckv9mw4fs7wc6d54v9gnpnqrx9hpllqz994mnz4ckzvrxq">thread about TENEX</a>\ </li> <li>Alex Gleason's <a href="https://soapbox.pub/tools/mkstack">MKStack</a>\ </li> <li>What is the essence of nostr?\ </li> <li>What are nostr's values, and can LLMs extract them?\ </li> <li>Agents and workflows living on nostr\ </li> <li>Agent specialization and Roo code\ </li> <li>\“What would Jesus do?\”</li> <li>What does it mean to build something "in the spirit of Bitcoin"?\ </li> <li>Hierarchy of agents\ </li> <li>Generalists vs specialists\ </li> <li>Top-down constraints and bottom-up emergence\ </li> <li>Wise architects VS efficient diff-merging LLMs\ </li> <li>Where does the human fit in?\ </li> <li>Distributed cognition: agents and humans</li> <li>Hiring agents via nostr\ </li> <li>"If the human has to intervene, something is catastrophically wrong."</li> <li>Confidence levels of an agent's action\ </li> <li>Giving agents money using <a href="https://njump.me/nevent1qqst6luj67g3exyd05zwevmpkynnws9v54vcsze5h3fm2d9yd6whmmqpz3mhxw309ucnydewxqhrqt338g6rsd3e9upzp75cf0tahv5z7plpdeaws7ex52nmnwgtwfr2g3m37r844evqrr6jqvzqqqqqqyyya64s">mcp-money</a>\ </li> <li>Offering bounties to solve problems\ </li> <li><a href="https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/stack-overflow-is-almost-dead/">Stackoverflow is dead</a></li> <li>Stock photography is dead\ </li> <li>Real vs fake photography test</li> <li>Vibe-coding vs regular coding, and how it relates to the switch from analog to digital photography\ </li> <li>What is economical, and what isn't?\ </li> <li>Dialogue and Dia-Logos with LLMs\ </li> <li>Specialization in a multi-agent world\ </li> <li>Adding a small vibe-coding widget to every app (allowing users to customize stuff)\ </li> <li>Multiplicity VS canonical design\ </li> <li>Money is singular, language is not\ </li> <li>Jack's original sin: the twitter Bootstrap theme</li> <li>The "<a href="https://andotherstuff.org/">other stuff</a>" initiative</li> <li>What's missing from <a href="https://github.com/pablof7z/tenex">TENEX</a>? Why isn't it fully working just yet?\ </li> <li>Rebuilding everything every 3 weeks</li> <li>Voice vs text, sentiment analysis vs tone</li> <li>The power and informational density of silence</li> <li>In-person vs online communication</li> <li>Letting agents learn lessons</li> <li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ_g81a7a-E">"Where do you get your ideas from?"</a></li> <li>Anonymity vs pseudonyms vs government ID</li> <li>Agents need identity, money, and reputation</li> <li>"I own this dude." \—Pablo</li> <li>Owning agents</li> <li>Vibe-coding lessons: don't look at the code, and in the best case don't even look at the IDE</li> <li>Human-agent communication: typing vs speaking</li> <li>Why some meetings couldn't have been an email</li> <li>Clearly defined problems vs undefined problem spaces</li> <li>Why TENEX will be in perpetual alpha</li> <li>What is <a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">Sovereign Engineering</a>?</li> <li>Why should you sign up for it?\ </li> <li>How come so many awesome things came out of it? Blossom, nsite, Zapstore, etc.</li> <li>Who should come, and who shouldn't?</li> <li>How did it start?</li> <li>What's the idea?\ </li> <li>"Fix the money, fix the internet."</li> <li>"Ship stuff that lasts."</li> <li>Keep it pure. No monetization.\ </li> <li>Focus on exploration and ideation\ </li> <li>What's the structure?\ </li> <li>6 weeks, 21 participants</li> <li>Same structure every week</li> <li>Monday Mornings: Orientation</li> <li>Tuesday Talks</li> <li>Wednesday Workshops</li> <li>Thursday: No Agenda</li> <li>Friday: Demo Day</li> <li>Weekend: Hikes</li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.typeform.com/SEC-05">SEC-05: YOLO Mode</a></li> <li>Empower users</li> <li>Optimize for self-sovereignty</li> <li>Bitcoin works</li> <li>Lightning works (Gigi's post)\ </li> <li>Build the future you want to see\ </li> <li>Madeira: you can pay in bitcoin almost everywhere\ </li> <li>tl;dr: Listen to every single <a href="https://castr.me/@NoSolutions">No Solutions</a> conversation to get an idea of what Sovereign Engineering is</li> </ul> \

#10: Walking with Jesus w/ gzuuus

"It's gonna be permissionless or hell." <a href="https://npub.world/@Gigi">Gigi</a> and <a href="https://npub.world/@Gzuuus">gzuuus</a> are vibing towards dystopia. \ Books & articles mentioned: <ul> <li><a href="https://ai-2027.com/">AI 2027</a></li> <li><a href="https://njump.me/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqfngzhsvjggdlgeycm96x4emzjlwf8dyyzdfg4hefp89zpkdgz99qqwkgandwvkhwetjv5kkzttdd9ehgcttv5kngte3xvhnyvpjx5m8uc7e">DVMs were a mistake</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223436601-careless-people">Careless People</a> by Sarah Wynn-Williams</li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/201874194-takedown">Takedown</a> by Laila michelwait</li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1729898.The_Ultimate_Resource">The Ultimate Resource</a> by Julian L. Simon</li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/series/45175-harry-potter">Harry Potter</a> by J.K. Rowling</li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68811.Momo">Momo</a> by Michael Ende</li> </ul> \ In this dialogue: <ul> <li>Pablo's <a href="https://github.com/jodobear/sparcaroo">Roo Setup</a></li> <li>Tech <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle">Hype Cycles</a></li> <li><a href="https://ai-2027.com/">AI 2027</a></li> <li>Prompt injection and other attacks</li> <li><a href="https://goose.ai/">Goose</a> and <a href="https://dvmcp.fun/">DVMCP</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.cursor.com/">Cursor</a> vs <a href="https://roocode.com/">Roo Code</a></li> <li>Staying in control thanks to <a href="https://github.com/greenart7c3/Amber">Amber</a> and signing delegation\ </li> <li>Is YOLO mode here to stay?</li> <li>What agents to trust?</li> <li>What MCP tools to trust?</li> <li>What <a href="https://snipsnip.dev/">code snippets</a> to trust?</li> <li>Everyone will run into the issues of trust and micropayments\ </li> <li>Nostr solves Web of Trust & micropayments natively</li> <li>Minimalistic & open usually wins</li> <li><a href="https://github.com/gzuuus/dvmcp">DVMCP</a> exists thanks to Totem</li> <li>Relays as Tamagochis</li> <li>Agents aren't nostr experts, at least not right now</li> <li>Fix a mistake once & it's fixed forever</li> <li>Giving long-term memory to LLMs</li> <li>RAG Databases signed by domain experts</li> <li>Human-agent hybrids & Chess</li> <li><a href="https://github.com/gzuuus/beating-heart-nostr">Nostr beating heart</a></li> <li>Pluggable context & experts</li> <li>"You never need an API key for anything"</li> <li>Sats and social signaling</li> <li>Difficulty-adjusted PoW as a rare-limiting mechanism</li> <li>Certificate authorities and centralization</li> <li>No solutions to policing speech!</li> <li>OAuth and how it centralized</li> <li>Login with nostr</li> <li>Closed vs open-source models</li> <li>Tiny models vs large models</li> <li>The <a href="https://hazyresearch.stanford.edu/blog/2025-02-24-minions">minions protocol</a> (Stanford <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.15964">paper</a>)\ </li> <li>Generalist models vs specialized models\ </li> <li>Local compute & encrypted queries\ </li> <li>Blinded compute\ </li> <li>"In the eyes of the state, agents aren't people"\ </li> <li>Agents need identity and money; nostr provides both\ </li> <li>"It's gonna be permissionless or hell"\ </li> <li>We already have marketplaces for MCP stuff, code snippets, and other things</li> <li>Most great stuff came from marketplaces (browsers, games, etc)\ </li> <li><a href="https://zapstore.dev/">Zapstore</a> shows that this is already working\ </li> <li>At scale, central control never works. There's plenty scams and viruses in the app stores.\ </li> <li>Using nostr to archive your user-generated content\ </li> <li><a href="https://github.com/bitvora/haven">HAVEN</a>, <a href="https://github.com/hzrd149/blossom">blossom</a>, <a href="https://github.com/teamnovia/novia">novia\ </a></li> <li>The switcharoo from advertisements to training data\ </li> <li>What is Truth?\ </li> <li>What is Real?\ </li> <li>"We're vibing into dystopia"\ </li> <li>Who should be the arbiter of Truth?\ </li> <li>First Amendment & why the Logos is sacred\ </li> <li>Silicon Valley AI bros arrogantly dismiss wisdom and philosophy\ </li> <li>Suicide rates & the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9fa4TkWE0&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ">meaning crisis</a></li> <li>Are LLMs symbiotic or parasitic?\ </li> <li>The Amish got it right\ </li> <li>Are we gonna make it?\ </li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223436601-careless-people">Careless People</a> by Sarah Wynn-Williams</li> <li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/201874194-takedown">Takedown</a> by Laila michelwait</li> <li>Harry Potter dementors & Momo's time thieves\ </li> <li>Facebook & Google as non-human (superhuman) agents\ </li> <li>Zapping as a <a href="https://njump.me/nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzqmjxss3dld622uu8q25gywum9qtg4w4cv4064jmg20xsac2aam5nqqsqm2lz4ru6wlydzpulgs8m60ylp4vufwsg55whlqgua6a93vp2y4g3uu9lr">conscious action</a></li> <li>Privacy and the internet</li> <li>Plausible deniability thanks to generative models</li> <li>Google glasses, glassholes, and Meta's Ray Ben's</li> <li>People crave realness</li> <li>Bitcoin is <a href="https://dergigi.com/2022/12/02/bitcoin-is-the-rediscovery-of-money/">the realest money we ever had</a>\ </li> <li>Nostr allows for real and honest expression\ </li> <li>How do we find out what's real?\ </li> <li>Constraints, policing, and chilling effects\ </li> <li>Jesus' plans for DVMCP\ </li> <li>Hzrd's article on how DVMs are broken (<a href="https://njump.me/naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzqfngzhsvjggdlgeycm96x4emzjlwf8dyyzdfg4hefp89zpkdgz99qqwkgandwvkhwetjv5kkzttdd9ehgcttv5kngte3xvhnyvpjx5m8uc7e">DVMs were a mistake</a>)</li> <li><a href="https://npub.world/@Not Don't ₿elieve the Hype 🦊">Don't believe the hype</a></li> <li>DVMs pre-date MCP tools</li> <li>Data Vending Machines were supposed to be stupid: put coin in, get stuff out.</li> <li>Self-healing vibe-coding</li> <li>IP addresses as scarce assets</li> <li>Atomic swaps and the <a href="https://github.com/vstabile/nips/blob/atomic-signature-swaps/XX.md">ASS protocol</a></li> <li>More marketplaces, less silos</li> <li>The intensity of <a href="https://nostr.band/?q=%23SovEng">#SovEng</a> and the last 6 weeks</li> <li>If you can vibe-code everything, why build anything?\ </li> <li>Time, <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1729898.The_Ultimate_Resource">the ultimate resource</a>\ </li> <li>What are the LLMs allowed to think?\ </li> <li>Natural language interfaces are inherently dialogical\ </li> <li><a href="https://sovereignengineering.io/">Sovereign Engineering</a> is dialogical too\ </li> </ul> Recorded at <a href="https://mempool.space/block/892372">892,372</a>.

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