Ezra Klein is one of the most influential voices representing the left-wing of American politics. He is a columnist for the NY Times and host of The Ezra Klein Show. Derek Thompson is a writer at The Atlantic and host of the Plain English podcast. Together they have written a new book titled Abundance that lays out a set of ideas for the future of the Democratic party.

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The New York Times: https://nytimes.com/by/ezra-klein (https://nytimes.com/by/ezra-klein)

Derek’s X: https://x.com/dkthomp (https://x.com/dkthomp)

Plain English (podcast): https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/plain-english-with-derek-thompson (https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/plain-english-with-derek-thompson)

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OUTLINE:

(00:00) – Introduction

(03:17) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections

(10:33) – Left-wing vs right-wing politics

(19:54) – Political leaders on the left and the right

(44:29) – Internal political divisions

(47:29) – AOC

(58:50) – Political realignment

(1:10:32) – Supply-side progressivism

(1:17:42) – Wealth redistribution

(1:27:50) – Housing problem

(1:44:09) – Regulation and deregulation

(2:00:43) – DOGE, Elon, and Trump

(2:59:46) – Sam Harris

(3:09:24) – Future of America

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